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#0, Mural & Canvas - How To?
Posted by admin on 30-Mar-01 at 10:47 AM
"Murals on Canvas - A How-To!"
Author: Ilia Anossov


Painting murals on canvas has many advantages then painting at the location. Work at the comfort of your studio and on your own schedule, no irritated by the inconvenience or looking over your shoulder clients, just to name a few. Also mural can be taken of the wall and relocated (use to be a standard).

I use theatrical muslin - thin (helps while installing) and strong, inexpensive as well $5,00 per 108' wide. Also comes firetreated.

Staple 1mil (thin) plastic onto the wall about 1 foot larger on all foue sides than the size of the mural to paint as a membrane between the wall and canvas.
Staple canvas over plastic and prime, if you do not put the plastic then the primer (gesso) will sip through the canvas and will stick to the wall so you will have a hard time tearing it off when done.

After the mural is finished seal it with one coat of zinzer latex glaze (helps with installation, read below). Then snap chalk guide lines on the face of the mural follow the perimeter 1" bigger all around than the actual wall size and keep them vertical and horizontal (use snap line as a plumb bob). Roll the mural on the tube min 4 inch shorter than the height of the wall/mural) do net let the tube stick out - will get on the way while installing (hit the floor or ceiling).

The important thing to discuss is the installation process.

Here we go: Traditional method - first apply wallpaper glue (may need two coats) to the wall let it sit there until becomes tacky then "hang" one layer of cheese cloth, wait for an hour (until dry) apply another coat of the same glue over the cheese cloth wait until tacky (may need two coats - all surface must be tacky - sometimes first coat dries too fast - tacky in one corner and dry in the other) install your mural. Cheese cloth in-between the mural and the wall is placed for the mural to be removable (clients love it), when the mural needs to be removed just pull the mural from the corner - cheese cloth will help it separate (feels like removing masking tape). The murals in the White House are installed this way (use to be the union standard) and they have been moved around during last remodeling.

The modern method skips the cheese cloth - get a removable (did not have it in the past) wallpaper glue from the wallpaper store or wall.

Now the installation: you need a rubber wall paper roller $10 and couple of plastic wallpaper spatulas (kinda white rather thick and soft plastic) $1,50 at wall you need this to press the mural tight to the wall and push out the air bubbles - regular thing to happen, gaze coat will help you not to worry about scratching the mural with spatulas (do not use sharp edged spatulas - drywall plastic cheapies). Razor sharp utility knife - the kind you can snap the end off and off.

You will need 2-3+ people - depends on the size of the mural, When wall becomes tacky align using the vertical chalk guide line going 1-1 1/2 inch over where the edge of the mural is going to be the end of the mural (keep the mural on the roll!!) - same thing on the top and bottom of the mural - it will shrink about 1 inch on each side - more on really big murals but for those hire a mural hanging crew - there are such. Press the edge all the way down about 1- 1 1/2 feet, unroll another 2-3 feet keep this feet away from the wall, have someone hold the attached area to the wall, check the mural for the alignment (see the chalk line guides to run parallel to the floor/ceiling), press this 2-3 of the mural to the wall (use rubber roller and spatulas to run the air out), keep unrolling and pressing 2-3 feet at the time, watch not to leave air bubbles. when the whole mural is on the wall double check for bubbles - if any push them out with the spatula towards the nearest edge until gone. Wait for 20-30 min (by that time mural will shrink no more). Use the razor sharp knife, you've got to trim the edges. You are done!

Now is the best advise I have ever got on this when I started: You have to have at least one person to help - do not ask your friend to do it in exchange for dinner or other thing for the first time.

Advice - go to the paint store where you buy the glaze for example and ask the salesman for a wallpaper guy (not a company) - all wall paper guys hung murals (if not fine art then photo murals, same thing). Hire him/her to do it with you - it will cost 100-200 bucks - worth 10 fold!

The whole install should take not more than 3-4 hours.
When installed mural has the feel and look of the detailed oil painting.(with a few little tricks during the painting process)

Good Luck! Ilia Anossov fresco painter, sculptor


Windward Mural 14x10 ft on the studio wall


Glenn is trimming the access.


Windward Mural by Ilia Anossov - installed

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Ilia Anossov - is a practicing fresco painter and sculptor, author of the Albuquerque Fresco (largest contemporary buon fresco in Western US - over 400 sq. feet). Ilia Anossov is a founder of an independent educational project - http://www.truefresco.com, Modern Fresco Gallery and Nationwide Fresco Painting Workshop program. Workshop locations and applications available at http://www.truefresco.com/workshop
Ilia can also be reached via email fresco@truefresco.com


#1, Sagging Canvas (mural)
Posted by admin on 19-Nov-03 at 10:54 PM
In response to message #0

> I have a question. I have to hang a canvas mural that has sags in it
> from hanging unstretched for so long during painting. Any ideas on how
> to get the sags out or stinking the canvas? Most mural painters I know
> have never worked on a big piece of canvas. This one is 10 x 40' long.I
> could only paint on it 20 feet at a time and some sags devloped in the
> middle between sessions. I'd appriciate any advice you might have.


Put canvas (mural) on the floor face down and moderately wet saggings with large brush.

they will pull back in enough for you to hang it. if the sags are small hanging itself will fix them (since the glue is wet)


#2, RE: Mural & Canvas - How To?
Posted by marj on 22-Jan-04 at 09:16 AM
In response to message #0
Hi! Could I use this wallpaper glue technique for installing a less than wall sized mural (3x6 feet)? What would the edge look like? Would it need a frame of some sort to finish it off or is there a way to make it look like it is painted directly on the wall. I have not started or bid the project yet. A friend said to paint it on board and then cut into the wall to make it flush... but this seems complicated and rather extreme, and would make transport more difficult. For such a resonable size should I charge a bit more and paint it directly on the wall? If I were to do this what surface preparation should I do to the existing wall? Lastly does being directly painted on the wall as opposed to being hung like wallpaper effect if it is considered an improvement to the house value?

#3, RE: Mural & Canvas - How To?
Posted by admin on 24-Jan-04 at 02:04 AM
In response to message #2
Painting on canvas and installing is always better since it can be removed and placed elsewhere, as of improvement of the house value... it is the metter of opinion, but you can always tell the client that since it is removable therefore it is collectable and it is rather investment than improvement. when it is painted directly on the wall it is just a decoration which is a matter of taste (one person likes the other one does not)

yes, you can use the same glue.


#4, RE: Mural & Canvas - How To?
Posted by Nadja on 29-Jan-04 at 12:49 PM
In response to message #3
Hi,

I have been assigned a new project which is a 20 feet by 5'8 mural on canvas that needs to be delivered to another state by the end of April. The projects consists of three paintings by John Constable.
I was also wondering whether I could do it in three sections, and what can be used for the creases or margins - paintable tape -perhaps or maybe gluing it closer together ?

Any advice would be appreciated, thank you !

Nadja


#5, RE: Mural & Canvas - How To?
Posted by Tuema on 28-Nov-06 at 03:45 PM
In response to message #0
I have heard a lot about a "non-woven" material (sometimes called parachute cloth) that is used for large outdoor murals. It is painted in the studio and later mounted using acryic gel. I would like details if anyone has tried this technique or knows where to buy this material.

#6, RE: Mural & Canvas - How To?
Posted by Tuema on 28-Nov-06 at 03:55 PM
In response to message #0
"Murals on Canvas - A How-To!"
by Ilia Anossov is a great article. I have a question about using wallpaper glue.
Is wallpaper glue still made of wheat paste (organic, water soluble and subject to mold)or is it new? What about using acrylic gel to hang a mural as I have heard suggested?

#7, RE: Mural & Canvas - How To?
Posted by admin on 30-Nov-06 at 08:34 AM
In response to message #6
it is all the same (parachute, muslin) some last's longer then others 100years as oppose to 50. For example if you paint in oils you would want to use linen instead of canvas - oil will "eat" canvas eventually - does not matter how well you prime it.

the technigue foundations do not change - prime, underpaint, color, detail, glue to the wall and seal (optional).

i know of serious exterior pablic murals painted on paper, yes plain paper - "acrylic color film" the actual paint layer is what counts. Now this artist uses synthetic material as the support for the color layer - it was difficult to relocate the paper murals.
(the largest outdoor mural he painted on paper is over 500 feet in lenght and 30 feet high)


#9, RE: Mural & Canvas - How To?
Posted by LWolff on 08-Oct-14 at 09:19 AM
In response to message #0
Great article, thank you!! I have been commissioned to do a 10'hx17'w mural on canvas to be installed on a well sheltered exterior wall here in Oregon. I am about to purchase the one piece poly mural product in the size I need from Lake arts mural canvas. I'll paint the mural in my studio and clear coat it with an exterior rated product. The existing wall is stucco over cement that has been painted several times over the years and the location is a large covered entrance to a train depot which will become a restaurant. If I prep the wall with a heavy primer then simply use the clay based wallpaper adhesive, should this be sufficient? I am comfortable with the installation with some helpers but am looking into a pro wall paper hanger. I originally wanted the wall to have a wood underlayment "skin" applied to insure that the glue would have good adherence but am wondering if that is an unnecessary step. It only goes below freezing a very few times over the winter, mostly just a lot of general moisture in the air but again, this location will be nicely sheltered. I would appreciate any helpful comments, thank you!!!!

Lorie, owner artist at One Horse Studio,
llc.