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Forum Name: Fresco Painting (original forum)
Topic ID: 117
Message ID: 1
#1, RE: A little help please, a little clarification.
Posted by Ilia on 10-Jul-04 at 12:26 PM
In response to message #0
>
> Hello ye who can help me.
>
> Just a couple quick questions for the
>moment. First-
> 1, Since my lime putty is submerged in about
>an inch of water to keep it fresh in the bucket,
>when I take some for use, does the water that
>comes up with it as I scoop it up interfere with
>anything? Its just that I know you are supposed
>to add no water whatsoever as you mix in your
>sand or marble, and i was just wondering if this
>would be a problem, or if i should make some
>sort of concerted effort in removing any excess
>water that may come up from the bucket.. (if
>that makes sense. ???
>

Pour the water out, scoup enough lime and pour whater back afterwards. (remember you need to use the least water possible for your plaster)

> 2, should i get myself a few 5 gallon buckets
>and pre-mix the putty corrasponding to what
>layer of plaster it will be used for (sand 2
>putty ratio), and store it in its own container?
> Or should this simply be done a few days in
>advance of beggining to apply to the panel?

It is better to mix a few days before application/painting. Storing for over 40 days might be tricky since if there are bits of clay in the sand it will aventually set the plaster.

However if you are to paint a large fresco you need to mix plaster in one batch for the whole project - so you keeep it consistent for the whole job.


> 3, i buy my pigments at the moment from a
>company called Gamblin. They come in powder
>form in little jars. Do I still have to
>vigorously mix them and crush them into the
>water before i can apply them to the plaster,
>because they seem to dissolve quite nicely with
>a bit of a stir?

Some pigments will take longer and some will mix faster some mineral pigments "repel" water so they will not just "stirr in" so use the muller to mix into the paste and keep them as that. This way your color will be more consistent and you will have more controll over how much of which pigment you used to match colors for the next giornata...

> 3, i have done a few test panels. The
>pigments seem to adhere, but i can scratch them
>of if i try with my fingernails. Im guessing
>this isn't supposed to be happening. They dont
>just rub or flake off, nor does water wash them
>away, but it just seems like the plaster doesn't
>harden enough since i can scrape it off with my
>talons. They have been drying for nearly a
>month now. Any advice? I am using construction
>high calcite hydrated lime as my putty at the
>moment? could this be why?

This is normal (scratching) what you are scratching is the plaster - find an old stuccoed building and try to scratch - it will even with cement they put in stucco.
1 month is a "second or a minute in fresco time". 6m to 1 year is the first round of curing - even then you will be able to scratch.

>"They dont
>just rub or flake off, nor does water wash them
>away"

This is good! This shows that it is a fresco.


> Please help, i have no where to turn and am
>obsessed!
>ps. pulverizing marble is hard!!!
>
>thank you for your help, i imagine i will be
>needing much MUCH more in the future.