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Forum Name: The Bar Stool... Just Art!
Topic ID: 91
Message ID: 5
#5, RE: Tracking references
Posted by admin on 21-Apr-04 at 09:57 PM
In response to message #4
>But when I brought up that site's page and saw my links >page displayed ... I felt like the site was abusing my >trust. I gave them the information assuming it would be >kept private...

Lets start here - You (or any other user) did not give any information, but took the convinience and free tool for whatever reason we do not know nor interested to...

There should be a line between exceess and reason:
if anyone would ask for your SS#, Bank Account#, Medical History in exchange for the "widget" and publish it on the Internet without your approval - yes, it is a violation!
but if you, yourself, take info that is accessible to anyone and being stored, recorded, published by millions of methods and publish it on YOUR SITE by the means of our service "piggibacking on our bandwidth and storage capacities"... come on give me a brake... It's like telling yahoo that they are responcible for all the content of geocities.com just because its built through yahoo's interface! Do you realise that we do not do anything to create your link pages? You are and visitors to the site are the publishers. And also the only data that is stored and transmitted for free is the data that your browser provides and instead of trying to instruct us on how to live
you should instruct browser makers not to display the info or provide a switch to disable it - what a hek - go for the source!

>The reason I came to truefresco is that a different site >uses your service. The webmaster of that site didn't know >that you have access to every targetPage/referPage/userIP >that comes along, and that you store some or all of that >information on your server.

this is not entirely correct - script reads info from HTTP_REFERRER and if there is a URL it will not see/use IP, it can be done of cause but the point is that recearching of yor browsing habits by marketing or scientific organisations, like everything else has two sides the overlooked one is - reducing the ammount of unrelated crap you get in your mailbox and selling you goods that you might need. Of cause verything can be perverted or abused...
or used wrongly, but this is life and you make your own choices "to use or not to use".

by the way "What a hell of a webmaster..." what did he think the link list appears out of a thin air?

Please do not take the cups as rudeness, just repeating myself for the third time:

WE HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH and NOT AFFILIATED IN ANY WAY with ExtremeTracking! we just use their Free service that they host on THEIR SERVERS. and perhaps they collect (have collected last 7 years)gigabytes of logs about our site and me personaly down to the color of my underwear I Do Not Care! In fact it is red-white-and-blue (russian flag)

anyway enough of rederic, I understand that you "got caught by surprize" and your secret page leaked out in a way you could not think of - you should thank us - now you know how insecure your secret page is and we "told you" about it immedeately... so fix it, the others wont and we sit and wonder where is all that junk in the mail box coming from?
It is from the "others" that will go to any lenght to hide your "security holes" from you.

PS
> time, date, ip address, kind of browser, operating
> system. Are any of those personal?

only if those are legaly owned by someone, then it would make it personal. I kinda doubt that anyone can "own time"
or the date or even the IP... not yet...