Discussion forum on Fresco painting technique and workshop, visual and performing arts, gallery and museum exhibitions, advice on art marketing from professional art agent, fresco documentary, artist promotion,
 


TrueFresco.com | Technique | Image Gallery | Fresco School | Art Commissions | Art Gazette | Art Events | Shop

Dear guest! You must login to see/use new forum features. If you are a new user, please register.


Subject: "on whether it is necessary to add cement to the lime an..."     Previous Topic | Next Topic
Printer-friendly copy     Email this topic to a friend    
Conferences Fresco Painting Fresco Painting (original forum) Topic #45
Reading Topic #45, reply 1
Gary sculptari
Charter Member
Rate this user
04-Dec-00, 04:11 PM (PST)
Click to EMail Gary%20sculptari Click to send private message to Gary%20sculptari Click to add this user to your buddy list  
1. "RE: on whether it is necessary to add cement to the lime and sand mix on the rough coat"
In response to message #0
 
   Hi Karla! Good to see you are still trying too.

The reason that fresco is so difficult today is that the skills needed have been split by our modern world - plasterers are tradespeople, artists are usually painters. Fresco requires both. I would like now suggest there is another trade you have to know - lathing!

Lath is the secret to strong plaster and stucco cement. The old day walls were built thicker and thicker for strength, but this does not work, the Sistine Chapel proved that. Some sort of mesh, whether it is wood saplings and reeds, or high tech graphite fibre mesh, drastically improves the strength of the piece.

For fresco practise, I have been using expanded galvanized metal mesh lath, with 3/8" ribs running every four inches. It is called "Hy-Rib" and will be available from any stucco/plaster supplier. It may be difficult to get home, it is usually in 27" x 96" size, it can only roll up lengthwise. Cut out your panel sizes using tin snips, make sure you wear work gloves when cutting and handling. Place the pieces, "pointy side down" on a plastic covered table, do not worry too much if they twist and bend, the weight of the mortar should hold them down. Now fill the mesh with the mortar. I recommend adding white cement to the mortar for this "scratch coat" it is the backbone of the piece, you want it good and stiff for the next coats, and you cannot wait the long time that a 100% lime mortar will take to cure for "portable" panels. Still use lime putty as a "plasticizer"(to help work in the coarse sand with less water), and to improve "suction" (the ability of the piece to "pull" water through from the final coat and therefore working time). For small painting surfaces, like you describe, I add white cement at all coats, in lesser and lesser amounts, because I do not need the working time and I want to make absolutely sure the piece will stand up in a garden environment (up here in the Pacific Rainforest). I think my frescos could go in a swimming pool!

Just slightly "overfill" the lath by about 1/8",no metal should be showing, the plastic will stop it sticking to the table. Brush the surface to make it rough. If you are doing this
indoors, place a plastic bag over the piece(s)and wait a couple of days. You are now ready for the "brown coat" which is smooth with coarse sand (finer than scratch coat) and the "finishing coat" - in our case intonaco 100% lime putty and fine marble sand/dust. The nice thing about this technique is that you can prepare a whole bunch of mesh boards at once, wet them down the night before the brown coat, etc.

Once you get used to the lath technique, you can also make curves, or hang the lath on walls, ceilings, etc. The skilled plasterers apply the scratch coat to the lath using just enough pressure that the plaster "keys" through the back of the mesh. Whole rooms and whole buildings are constructed in this way and it has proven the test of time. Plasterers usually have the lathers come in ahead of time to do this work - so can a fresco artist if he/she is experienced with the plastering.

I hope this helps - it is not THE answer, you will find your own way with the materials and skills you have available in your area. If it seems like a lot of work, calculate how much $ per sq ft painting area you are getting compared to gesso canvas or watercolor paper and that fresco is beautiful interior or exterior.


  Alert | IP User Menu | Scratch Pad | Printer-friendly page | Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

  Subject     Author     Message Date     ID  
 on whether it is necessary to add cement to the lime an... [View All] karla 04-Dec-00 TOP
  RE: on whether it is necessary to add cement to the lim... Gary sculptari 04-Dec-00 1
   RE: on whether it is necessary to add cement to the lim... karla 04-Dec-00 2
      RE: on whether it is necessary to add cement to the lim... Gary sculptari 04-Dec-00 3
          RE: on whether it is necessary to add cement to the lim... Iliamoderator 04-Dec-00 4
          RE: on whether it is necessary to add cement to the lim... karla 05-Dec-00 5
              RE: on whether it is necessary to add cement to the lim... Gary sculptari 05-Dec-00 6
                  RE: on whether it is necessary to add cement to the lim... karla 05-Dec-00 7
                      RE: on whether it is necessary to add cement to the lim... adminadmin 05-Dec-00 8
                      RE: on whether it is necessary to add cement to the lim... Gary sculptari 06-Dec-00 9
                          RE: on whether it is necessary to add cement to the lim... Gary sculptari 06-Dec-00 10
                              RE: on whether it is necessary to add cement to the lim... Iliamoderator 06-Dec-00 11
                                  RE: on whether it is necessary to add cement to the lim... Gary sculptari 06-Dec-00 12
                                      RE: on whether it is necessary to add cement to the lim... Iliamoderator 07-Dec-00 15
                                          RE: on whether it is necessary to add cement to the lim... Gary sculptari (Guest) 07-Dec-00 17
                                              RE: on whether it is necessary to add cement to the lim... Iliamoderator 07-Dec-00 18
                              RE: on whether it is necessary to add cement to the lim... karla 06-Dec-00 13
                                  RE: on whether it is necessary to add cement to the lim... karla 06-Dec-00 14
                                  RE: on whether it is necessary to add cement to the lim... Iliamoderator 07-Dec-00 16
                                      RE: on whether it is necessary to add cement to the lim... karla 08-Dec-00 19
                                          RE: on whether it is necessary to add cement to the lim... Gary sculptari 08-Dec-00 20
                                              RE: on whether it is necessary to add cement to the lim... karla 08-Dec-00 21
                                              RE: on whether it is necessary to add cement to the lim... Iliamoderator 09-Dec-00 22
                                              RE: on whether it is necessary to add cement to the lim... karla 09-Dec-00 23
                                              RE: on whether it is necessary to add cement to the lim... Iliamoderator 09-Dec-00 24
                                              RE: on whether it is necessary to add cement to the lim... karla 09-Dec-00 25
                                              RE: on whether it is necessary to add cement to the lim... Yoram Neder 11-Dec-00 26
                                              RE: on whether it is necessary to add cement to the lim... Iliamoderator 11-Dec-00 27
                                              RE: on whether it is necessary to add cement to the lim... karla 11-Dec-00 28
                                              RE: on whether it is necessary to add cement to the lim... suzie 25-Jan-01 29
                                              RE: on whether it is necessary to add cement to the lim... Myriam (Guest) 25-Feb-01 30
                                              RE: on whether it is necessary to add cement to the lim... karla 25-Feb-01 31


Conferences | Forums | Topics | Previous Topic | Next Topic
Rate this topicRate this topic

Take Advantage of the Free Shipping!




Cafe al Fresco Entrance Hall - first stop for a "newbe" or browse while "your dinner at our Cafe is being served". Annoincements, Educational resources, feedback, polls. Also includes popular "Bar Stool... Just Art!" Forum. Contemporary Fresco Painting Resource Center discussions. Fresco Technique, Modern & Classic Fresco History, Workshop, Tutorials and comments. Includes Murals & Trompe L'oeil, Architecture & Design topics and "Kids Corner". Fresco Workshop Students (members only) Forum also found here. Voice your opinion on Art and Culture in general or discuss a particular artwork. What is your take on the Art for the Future? Create your own gallery or contribute to our Group Exhibitions. Get your own work reviewed or review other members art. Theatre and else... Music, Cinematograph, Writers Table, The Poets Club, Comedy Central, etc. Support Forums for the TrueFresco.com Art World Community - Free web sites provided by TrueFresco.com Nightlife, Internet, Travel & Leasure and miscellanies topics. Get all of the current posts in a glance!








ART  COMMUNITY CHANNEL  GUIDE

WELCOME Channel

.
News, media headlines, articles, pictures, art promotion, reviews, art critique, reviews, fine and decorative arts resources, discussions, debates, art event calendars, art clubs - all things art organized in content channels by topics of interest.
.

Dynamic, on-the-fly, automated content updates - post your image in our FPAA&ID Image Database/Gallery or post your Article in the Cafe al Fresco Forums and see it distributed throughout our Content Channels. As well as World Media News feeds specific to each channel.

         

FRESCO PAINTING Channel

         

MURAL, TROMPE & FAUX Channel

         

SCULPTURE Channel

         

ART CRITIQUE Channel

         

ART DEBATES Channel

         

ART MARKETING Channel