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Gary sculptari
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"Lime & Cold Water Paints"
 
   I have got a friend to post this recipe book for lime paints on his plaster restoration website. This was published by the national lime association sometime in the 1940's - 50's.

http://www.battersbyornamental.com/wallerlime.htm


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  RE: Lime & Cold Water Paints re45 28-Dec-02 1
  RE: Lime & Cold Water Paints Gary sculptari 28-Dec-02 2
     RE: Lime & Cold Water Paints Mike 14-Mar-04 6
  RE: Lime & Cold Water Paints Mitchell Henry 15-Jan-03 3
     RE: Lime & Cold Water Paints butax 16-Jun-03 4
         RE: Lime & Cold Water Paints butax 16-Jun-03 5
             RE: Lime & Cold Water Paints adminadmin 28-Jul-04 7

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1. "RE: Lime & Cold Water Paints"
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   thanks gary for re-posting this info.
it is not startlingly new to me and still provokes the question of what the "boys" are doing now when they
make limewash. in australia,porters' is a fine product,
and i use another one that is an enen stronger brew.

the quality is very good and i feel sure that the "moderns" have something up their sleeve.
i have 20L sitting in the shed that is entirely useable
over the next months - 3 years.

thing is: asking google does not come up with modern receipes.

the other stuff on the site very well worth looking at
also.

incidently,we get cheap lime putty here.
$5 for 20 kg and it comes in a double skinned tough plastic bag with an opening spout,specially packaged for plasterers.......for what we call white-walling.
do you think this is likely to be well aged?
what would be the key words to demand if i phone the company?
cheers joe.


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2. "RE: Lime & Cold Water Paints"
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   The market for concrete and plaster paint in Canada and the US is dominated by acrylic latex 'exterior' paint - which needs redoing every few years. It is cheap to buy, and cheap to spray on. The problem is that it builds up a film, which blocks moisture flow through the concrete stucco - then we get rotting in the backing structures, especially if it is wood -but even in concrete and brick.

The advantage of lime and silicate paints are obvious, and the fact they are super friendly to the environment and the applicator is also a big plus. The premade silicate paints are currently imported from Germany from the Keim company, who also sells in Australia. They are being used on a number of heritage and restoration buildings.

Lime paints are a novelty here, and even more difficult to find already made up. The market here demands instant results, they don't want to mix anything (other than professional painters that is). Another quirk in the market, unique to Canada/US, is that consumers always gravitate to the 'new and improved' heavily advertised product, rather than the well proven and cheap. I mean would you rather be in the retail business of selling 4 litres of 'wonder paint' for $30, or a sack of lime for $5? You are lucky in Australia that they are sticking to the lime paints and not so willing to try the newest and latest.

So the lime paints, and silicate paints, are currently in the hands of the master decorators and professional painters. They are just starting to filter down to the hardware store/do it yourself crowd. This is mostly driven by the 'green' construction movement. The manufacturers are most likely reluctant to push too hard on this market, because people might start making their own (this is currently rare in the acrylic and alkyd house paint market). The public has no understanding that the actual materials cost of a big tin of paint is minor compared to marketing/distribution cost of retailing any product. This is similair to a loaf of bread - you can buy a good, handmade loaf for $3 - or make your own for .50 cents. Six times to retail is the golden rule, and targetted profit ratio. And making your own lime paint is as difficult as making your own loaf of bread.

By the way - I take the time to make a great loaf of bread - this is important to me.


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6. "RE: Lime & Cold Water Paints"
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   I really found your post amazing and I'm very interested in knowing whether this "lime paint" will work out for my home. I live in front of the ocean and get allot of sun, breeze and moisture. My home is made of cement block. I'm in the Dominican Republic and am interested in making this myself since imports here are very expen$ive and could end up being more costly than resonably imaginable.

questions :

1. can I use lime paint on my exterior? Wouldn't colors fade?

2. What colors are available? Can I buy a color chart that will tell me what amounts of pigments to use to get certain results?

3. How about maintenance, coverage & surface preparation? (my home is 20 years old and has a couple layers of latex paint)

4. Do you have a suggestion of a source that describes in detail all procedures mentioned with complete details for my application.

{I have done a couple of searches and they don't speak much about color retension, coverage and preparation. Nor mention its use on masonry walls exterior}


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3. "RE: Lime & Cold Water Paints"
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   Gary,

Thanks for the link to Gary Wallers limewash page.
I did enjoy the recipes, and bookmarked it for reference.
Do you happpen to have any other resources on lime painting at hand?

Thanks, Mitchell


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4. "RE: Lime & Cold Water Paints"
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   Thank you for the link,

I was looking for usable formulas.

I have a question,

How long can you hold a made limepaint? Is there a problem of harding out in the can?
Concervation product are not necesairy due to high pH.

Thanks for the help.

Yves Op de Beeck


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5. "RE: Lime & Cold Water Paints"
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   Most of the formulas I know can't be held for a long time, due to harding out of the paste.

Is there a trick to make the pastemix more concervable. I'm talking Limepaint.

greets,

Yves Op de Beeck


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7. "RE: Lime & Cold Water Paints"
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>Most of the formulas I know can't be held for a
>long time, due to harding out of the paste.
>
>Is there a trick to make the pastemix more
>concervable. I'm talking Limepaint.
>
>greets,
>
>Yves Op de Beeck


you can always add water. also keeping it in airtight contaner should do the trick. Since lime paint is based on lime (lime putty) it should work the same - time does not cure it exposure to the air does (to carbon monoxide to be exact).

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