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   Hello! i am making fresco panels out of 1/2 plywood, with tar paper, then the metal lathe staples on, then the scratch, brown and final painting coat. The combo works well, only they are very heavy, especially if you want to hang it on a wall. I have also done the ones with just the metal lathe as Gary described. They also work, but aren't easy to frame as the others are.... I have customers who want them framed to hang. so what it comes down to is I am trying to find a lighter panel which I can frame. Any reason why i can't use a thinner wood? I mean you don't really need the wood at all, so I should be able to get away with a 1/4 plywood instaed, right? I coat the wood anyway with an oil base primer type thing to protect it from the wetting.... Can anyone give some advice or experience on this subject?
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1. "RE: portable fresco panel"
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>Hello! i am making fresco panels out of 1/2
>plywood, with tar paper, then the metal lathe
>staples on, then the scratch, brown and final
>painting coat. The combo works well, only they
>are very heavy, especially if you want to hang
>it on a wall. I have also done the ones with
>just the metal lathe as Gary described. They
>also work, but aren't easy to frame as the
>others are.... I have customers who want them
>framed to hang. so what it comes down to is I am
>trying to find a lighter panel which I can
>frame. Any reason why i can't use a thinner
>wood? I mean you don't really need the wood at
>all, so I should be able to get away with a 1/4
>plywood instaed, right? I coat the wood anyway
>with an oil base primer type thing to protect it
>from the wetting.... Can anyone give some
>advice or experience on this subject?
>Thank you!!!

the plywood there is to give some strength and protection to otherwise brittle plaster. 1/4 inch should work fine for small panel, for large panel it would be useless. Rivera built his stationary wall/panels without backing and they can be moved, but plaster does not like to be moved around so if you are making them to be moved around the strenght should be in the frame (backing would be part of it)

also if you panel is not bigger then 16X16 or so - you dont need so many coats.

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2. "RE: portable fresco panel"
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   Dear Ilya,
Here I am a year later, and I still am trying different things for this problem. I now have a series of panels ordered which are all largish( 20x24, 12x18, etc. ) and am trying to work out a method. They want to be framed, but no glass.
I saw this website link from France- http://www.atelier-st-andre.net/en/pages/technique/fresco_technique/portable_fresco.html#Anchor-La-6934

Has anyone tried welding their own frames to plaster into? What does that involve? Is that conceivably a DIY thing, or would I need to call a machine shop?

I like wooden frames, but there needs to be something to attatch it to..

Any other ideas?

Also, they mention a lightened concrete. Has anyone tried this? It also says they don't make it in the US, but when I spoke with a contractor, he said he does use something which sounds like that on floors.
I only use portland cement in the first coat, but what about it???

Thanks so much!!


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3. "RE: portable fresco panel"
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I replied here:
http://www.truefresco.com/dcforum/DCForumID1/256.html

in addition, welding has to be done by specialists in the metal shop.

so if your panel is around 24X24 then you dont need metal frame. you can use marine plywood and staple chicken wire to it and build the plaster on that. You can also attach wooden frame to it prior to plastering, just tape it (frame) out when plastering, this way it wont get dirty.

for smaller sizes - ceramic tiles of 12X12, 16X16 and 18X18 is all you need.

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