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"making lime paint...is it as difficult as making bread"
 
   In a previous topic it was mentioned that:

"making your own lime paint is as difficult as making your own loaf of bread".

My interest is in a lime "wash" recipe to be painted over freshly lime/sand-plastered indoor walls. The effect I am trying to achieve is to soften the color with a silky matte pigmented wash and think lime will do the job. Problem is... I don't have a proper recipe for the wash. I am also not sure if I will need to add linseed oil and / or casein. I have found some recipes but they often vary.

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks, Mitchell


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     RE: making lime paint... Mitchell Henry 28-Feb-03 2
         RE: making lime paint... metameme : 28-Feb-03 3
             RE: making lime paint... adminadmin 02-Mar-03 4
                 RE: making lime paint... metameme 04-Mar-03 5
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1. "RE: making lime paint..."
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   Why not use Lime paint and thin down with water to a wash medium.

There are many manufactures of Real lime paints in the USA.


Do A search for Lime paints and or plasters.


We also do carry a lime paint called Pitture alla calce.

Thanks


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2. "RE: making lime paint..."
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   Joe,

The reason I didn’t want to use lime paint as opposed to a lime wash is that I wanted to literally wash over the surface without any proprietary type polymers or modifiers. I need to keep this finish as translucent as possible, with just a hint of color to tone down, lighten and "silken" and the surface mottling created by the marmorino. I can't take the chance of covering anything up to any great degree. As far as I understood, a lime wash is different from a diluted lime paint... please advise. If you think Pitture alla calce will work in this fashion... I'll be happy to give it a go.

Thanks much, Mitchell


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3. "RE: making lime paint..."
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   >Joe,
>
>The reason I didn?t want to use lime paint as
>opposed to a lime wash is that I wanted to
>literally wash over the surface without any
>proprietary type polymers or modifiers. I need
>to keep this finish as translucent as possible,
>with just a hint of color to tone down, lighten
>and "silken" and the surface mottling created by
>the marmorino. I can't take the chance of
>covering anything up to any great degree. As far
>as I understood, a lime wash is different from a
>diluted lime paint... please advise. If you
>think Pitture alla calce will work in this
>fashion... I'll be happy to give it a go.
>
>Thanks much, Mitchell

i understand your concern mitchell.
i think at its best a "limepaint" will do eveything for you.
i have looked into this recently because in australia i get two very good products. they are sold as limewashes. they will accept
dark pigments so i can use them in very rich colours.
people i was corresponding with insisted there must be some
polymer binder in order to take such dark tints.
i had thought is was a more cluey modern development.

i have used the best one on a big job back in the winter.
half metre thick 150 year old limestone walls which i limewashed
inside and outside.

critically you cannot put anything that cannot "breath" on such walls.

here is the MSDS for the limewash i used.
i have no complaints.

if you got venetian plaster, proper italian stuff ,you could water that down . www.rivesto.ch ,for best product.

quite possibly, joe's 'limewash' at adicolor would match below.

again, it is likely that there are _limepaints in usa that you are
wise to avoid ( as concerns in yr post)

another way to go is silicate paints : keim .
but this is a diferent trip again . if you are interested look
what google brings up for keim/silicates.
send me an e-mail with your address and i can reply with a photo
of the limewash job.
cheers joe. my name also.


Material Safety Data Sheet
Date Updated: 17/06/2002
Limegard
Classified as Non-Hazardous according to criteria of Worksafe Australia
Evergard Industries ? The Next Generation in Surface Coatings
Page 1 of 4 8/07/2002
Company Details
Evergard Industries P/L
Cnr Rufus & Duffy Streets
Epping VIC 3076
AUSTRALIA
ACN: 77 195 438 580
Phone: +61 3 9401 2266
Fax: +61 3 9401 4714
Email: sales@evergard.com.au
Website: www.evergard.com.au
Identification
Product Name LIMEGARD
Proper Shipping Name PAINT
UN Number N/A
Dangerous Goods Class N/A
HAZCHEM N/A
Packaging Group N/A
Initial Emergency Response N/A
Poison Schedule Number N/A
Product Use LIMEGARD is a liquid limestone finish that is a durable, opaque coating for all
exterior masonry building surfaces - concrete, cement render, cement block, cement
sheet and brick. LIMEGARD is an inorganic coating that carbonates and becomes
part of the surface to which it is applied and binds in the colour pigments as well.
LIMEGARD inorganic nature allows it to resist degradation from the sun and weather,
which are the enemies of modern organic paints. LIMEGARD recarbonates to form a
"limestone film" on masonry, brick and stone surfaces.
Physical Description & other properties
Appearance Pigmented, viscous liquid with low odour
Initial Boiling Point 100 Degrees Celsius
Vapour Pressure Not applicable - water based product
Specific Gravity 1.3
Flash Point Not combustible
Flammability Limits N/A
Solubility in Water Mixable with water
Auto Ignition Temperature N/A
Volatile Percentage 51%
Vapour Density N/A
pH 11.3
Ingredients
Chemical/Substance Name CAS Number Proportion
Calcium Hydroxide 1305-62-0 10-30%
Calcium Carbonate 1317-65-3 10-30%
Organic Polymer 1317-65-3 5-10%
Material Safety Data Sheet
Date Updated: 17/06/2002
Limegard
Classified as Non-Hazardous according to criteria of Worksafe Australia
Evergard Industries ? The Next Generation in Surface Coatings
Page 2 of 4 8/07/2002
Water 7732-18-5 30-60%
Health Hazard Information
Health Affects ? Acute
Swallowed May cause irritation to the mouth, throat and stomach
Eyes May cause irritation to the eye
Skin May cause irritation to the skin
Inhalation May cause irritation to nose, throat and respiratory tract
Health Affects - Chronic
Chronic Repeated or prolonged exposure may cause defatting of the skin and can result in
dermatitis
First Aid
Swallowed If swallowed, and only if the person is conscious, give a glass of water to drink. DO
NOT induce vomiting. Seek URGENT medical attention if frothing from the mouth
occurs.
Eyes If splashed into eyes, irrigate copiously with water for at least 15 minutes. Seek
immediate medical attention if irritation persists.
Skin If skin contact occurs, remove contaminated clothing and wash thoroughly with soap
and water. Seek medical attention if any irritation occurs.
Inhaled If the applicator feels drowsy, dizzy, tired or experiences headaches, remove victim
to fresh air. Keep victim warm and quiet until all symptoms subside.
First Aid Facilities Clean Water Supply, Barrier Cream, Soap and Eye Wash stations
Advice to Doctor If poisoning occurs, consult the Poisons Information Centre or have a copy of this
Material Safety Data Sheet or label available. Treat patient symptomatically.
Precautions for Use
Engineering Requirements
Exposure Standards There are no known Exposure Standards for LIMEGARD
Engineering Controls For interior application, ensure that there is adequate ventilation ie. Windows and
doors open.
For exterior application, no ventilation requirements are necessary.
Personal Protection
Clothing The wearing of antistatic clothing, made of natural or high temperature synthetic fibre,
is recommended during the application period.
Gloves The wearing of PVC or plastic coated gloves is recommended during the application
period.
Eyes The wearing of safety glasses fitted with side shields or chemical splash goggles is
recommended during the application period.
Respiratory Equipment

The wearing of an Respirator is recommended during the application period.
Footwear The wearing of safety shoes or safety boots is recommended during the application
period.
Material Safety Data Sheet
Date Updated: 17/06/2002
Limegard
Classified as Non-Hazardous according to criteria of Worksafe Australia
Evergard Industries ? The Next Generation in Surface Coatings
Page 3 of 4 8/07/2002
Protective Equipment
Avoid contact with skin and eyes. Wear the recommended personal protection
equipment as described on this Material Safety Data Sheet.
Flammability Not Flammable.
Safe Handling Information
Storage and Transport
Storage Requirements Containers should be clearly labelled, rigid, strong and stored upright in a cool, dry,
well ventilated area
Storage Regulations N/A
Transport Requirements N/A
Spills and Disposal
Spills Contain all spills. Prevent contamination of waterways and sewage. Use sand, earth
or other non-reactive absorbent material (not sawdust) to absorb all spillages. Wash
remaining residues with detergent and excess water.
Disposal Keep unwanted paint and residues in labelled and sealed containers for disposal via
waste collection services.
Fire/Explosion Hazard
Combustion Products N/A
Fire Fighting Procedures N/A
Extinguishing Media N/A
Reactivity No known hazardous reactions or polymerisation will occur.
HAZCHEM CODE N/A
Other Precautions N/A
Other Information
Worksafe Classification
Hazard Category The non-hazardous rating for LIMEGARD may be an irritating substance as defined
by the current Worksafe ? NOHSC documents.
Risk Phrases N/A
Safety Phrases Avoid contact with skin and eyes
Wear suitable protective clothing, gloves and eye/face protection
Environment
May be hazardous to the environment. Avoid contaminating waterways and sewage.
Do not empty into drains.
Toxicity
N/A
Material Safety Data Sheet
Date Updated: 17/06/2002
Limegard
Classified as Non-Hazardous according to criteria of Worksafe Australia
Evergard Industries ? The Next Generation in Surface Coatings
Page 4 of 4 8/07/2002
Contact
For further information please contact:
Evergard Industries P/L
Cnr Rufus & Duffy Streets
Epping Victoria Australia 3076
Phone: +61 3 9401 2266
Fax: +61 3 9401 4714
Email: sales@evergard.com.au
Website: www.evergard.com.au
References § Australian Code for Transport of Dangerous Goods Code by Road and Rail ? 6th Edition
§ The Storage and Handling of Flammable and Combustible Liquids ? AS 1940
§ Standard for the Uniform Scheduling of Drugs and Poisons ? 11th Edition
§ Dangerous Goods ? Initial Emergency Response Guide. SAA/SNZ HB76. Guide 15
§ The Labelling of Paint and Paint Related Materials, Australian Paint Manufacturers? Federation Inc.
Disclaimer All information is given in good faith and believed to be accurate at the time of writing. Note this
information is subject to change within notice. No warranty is expressed or implied as to its accuracy
or completeness.


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4. "RE: making lime paint..."
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No offence to Australia, but shipment to US may cost a bundle. check out http://adicolor.com

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5. "RE: making lime paint..."
In response to message #4
 
   that wasn't the point.
context is to determine the quality of the limewash that mitchell
is going to use. he has expressed his reservations about
so called limepaints.
but in fact is seems likely that 5-10% polymer in a limewash
is not the worst thing in the world.
my understanding is that in the united states there are some
rather poor products calling themselves limepaints as well
as other products that might be equivalent to the description
i have given of the limewash i use.
perhaps it is all predicated on availibility of 7 year old lime putty.
the small addition of polymer does have other 'benefits' , it enables reception of deep rich colour into the material.....which is a dead give-away that it carries some polymer.
so look at the % ingrediants in the product - MSDS - and pay less attention to shop/sales hype.

the gear i use is the same composition of their stucco antiqua
which is essentially VP......to return the compliment - obviously
i would not import from america,but i might _need rivesto,
novacolor is next,and ard . these latter two also contain
polymer.....perhaps 2% so my gear stacks up quite well.
if mitchell wants to be super-safe let him get rivesto VP
and dilute down to make a wonderful limewash.
similarly,novacolor or ard VP's will perform well.
VP=venetian plaster.


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6. "RE: making lime paint..."
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I see your point. Thanks for details...

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