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"Scagliola"
 
   Is there an alternative to Keenes cement,I have used fine casting plaster and white cement for scag with good results, well I'm happy any way.

Any other advice for scagliola, like oiling and polishing would be a great help.

Thanks
ed


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  RE: Scagliola julian 03-May-02 1
     RE: Scagliola Ed 23-May-02 2
         RE: Scagliola adminadmin 23-May-02 3
             RE: Scagliola James 13-Jul-02 4
                 RE: Scagliola Iliamoderator 16-Jul-02 5
                 RE: Scagliola Ed Micca 05-Mar-03 20
                 RE: Scagliola Marmorino 16-Apr-03 24
             RE: Scagliola Ed 27-Nov-02 8
                 RE: Scagliola Iliamoderator 27-Nov-02 9
                     RE: Scagliola Ed 27-Nov-02 10
                         RE: Scagliola Iliamoderator 27-Nov-02 11
                             RE: Scagliola Ed 29-Nov-02 12
                                 RE: Scagliola Iliamoderator 03-Dec-02 13
                                     RE: Scagliola Ed 04-Dec-02 14
                                 RE: Scagliola jvm 23-Jun-06 53
             RE: Scagliola Bernardo 27-Feb-03 17
                 RE: Scagliola adminadmin 27-Feb-03 18
                 RE: Scagliola Marmorino 28-Feb-03 19
                     RE: Scagliola Travertine 09-Sep-08 57
         RE: Scagliola Ed 10-Oct-02 7
  RE: Scagliola gazzer 07-Aug-02 6
     Please help me identify this material-- karenmkrohn 15-Feb-03 15
         RE: Please help me identify this material-- hey 21-Feb-03 16
         RE: Please help me identify this material-- Ed 12-Mar-03 21
             RE: Please help me identify this material-- karenmkrohn 12-Mar-03 22
                 RE: Please help me identify this material-- Ed 18-Mar-03 23
                     scagliola rick 11-May-03 25
                         SCRAFFITO??? rico de pico 11-May-03 26
                         RE: scagliola Marmorino 11-May-03 27
                             RE: scagliola Bernardo 11-May-03 28
                                 RE: scagliola Marmorino 23-May-03 29
                                     RE: scagliola Bernardo 23-May-03 30
                                         RE: scagliola Marmorino 24-May-03 31
                                             RE: scagliola add on from MArmorino. Marmorino 24-May-03 32
                                             RE: scagliola add on from MArmorino. Bernardo 27-May-03 33
                                             RE: scagliola add on from MArmorino. Marmorino 27-May-03 34
                                             RE: scagliola add on from MArmorino. Marmorino 28-May-03 35
                                             RE: scagliola add on from MArmorino. adminadmin 28-May-03 36
                                             RE: scagliola add on from MArmorino. Marmorino 28-May-03 37
                                             RE: scagliola add on from MArmorino. Bernardo 28-May-03 38
                                             RE: scagliola add on from MArmorino. Marmorino 29-May-03 39
                         RE: scagliola Rick Lindley 21-Oct-03 43
                         RE: scagliola adminadmin 22-Oct-03 44
                             RE: scagliola JENN BRYANT 19-Nov-03 46
                         RE: scagliola JENN BRYANT 19-Nov-03 45
                         RE: scagliola paul tibbett 12-Jun-04 48
                         RE: scagliola sarah chane 16-Sep-05 51
                         RE: scagliola homespain1 14-Sep-08 58
                         RE: scagliola SCAG 24-Jan-10 59
                             RE: scagliola adminadmin 24-Jan-10 60
                 RE: Please help me identify this material-- andrea 19-Jun-03 40
                     RE: Please help me identify this material-- kidplaster 15-Apr-05 50
  RE: Scagliola Merv 26-Jul-03 41
     RE: Scagliola R.GIBBS 06-Sep-03 42
         RE: Scagliola limey 14-Mar-04 47
             RE: Scagliola courses sheamus 15-Nov-04 49
  RE: Scagliola jvm 23-Jun-06 52
     RE: Scagliola Karen 29-Oct-06 54
         RE: Scagliola Valter Cipriani 31-Dec-06 55
     Herculite Hardcoat MJTRIGG 16-Jan-07 56

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julian
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03-May-02, 09:19 AM (PST)
 
1. "RE: Scagliola"
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   where are you based??
please contact me back

julian


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Ed
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23-May-02, 08:41 AM (PST)
 
2. "RE: Scagliola"
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   Hi Julian,

I just checked the site and noticed your reply,I thought the mb had died, I am in N.Ireland.

Ed


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3. "RE: Scagliola"
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>Hi Julian,
>
>I just checked the site and noticed your reply,I
>thought the mb had died, I am in N.Ireland.
>
>Ed


Hi Ed,
we are here - not dead. Scagliola as an art form, however, breathing with a difficulty so as fresco. This is why we maintain and improve this site. Unfortunately without people like you it is not easy. So please post more - your techniques, pictures (you can upload pics and post them in your message as an attachement - images will post within the message as a sample pic I have posted). If our content grows - the conversations will improve and become more useful for everybody. So please refer this site to your friends and colleagues.

Also we have started an Image Database at
http://www.truefresco.Net and as database grows it is promoted to arch/des/developers etc.

The idea of this site is to give more and more exposure to people like yourself - professionals and aspiring craftsmen artists of this noble techniques

PS. log in and go to the "user's menu" and edit your subscription preferences - this way you will not miss posts to the topics you select.

learn fresco at http://FrescoSchool.org

fresco painting video tutorials: http://www.FrescoSchool.com

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Contemporary Fresco Gazette
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James
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13-Jul-02, 08:26 PM (PST)
 
4. "RE: Scagliola"
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   Just found your site, looks good.
I am a scagliola instructor in Pennsylvania. I have a decorative arts studio, and teach in NY at Parsons, and Kremer Pigments.
I studied in Ceri, Italy in 1997 with Olympia Serafin and Walter Cipriani. I taught there in 2000. My website has some pics of my work, and I would be happy to answer any questions about scagliola.
jamesgloria.com


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5. "RE: Scagliola"
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LAST EDITED ON 16-Jul-02 AT 09:59 PM (PST)
 
Hi James! and welcome!

It will make sense to register and subscribe to the forums of your interest. This way you will be notified when someone posts via email.

If you have any articles on scagliola it would be great if you can post them here.

ilia

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Ed Micca
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05-Mar-03, 12:53 PM (PST)
 
20. "RE: Scagliola"
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   What is your website again? Will you be teaching scagliola at Parson's in 2003?

Ed Micca
edmicca@yahoo.com


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Marmorino
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16-Apr-03, 04:47 AM (PST)
 
24. "RE: Scagliola"
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   Hello,

Could you please send me your web site address. I am interested in marmorino and scagliola.
Thank you


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8. "RE: Scagliola"
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   It was nice to get a response, I asked a question from illia unfortunately no reply, maybe he is busy.

I emailed the people who left their email addresses no reply,please do not bother now.

Yes I have learnt a lot about scag would have liked to have shared ideas etc but alas people are not willing to participate in what was a good forum.

Is this because many find that the plaster arts are a little more complicated than they first thought? All I can say is you get out more than you give in, it is a wonderful field of art to be in.


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9. "RE: Scagliola"
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>It was nice to get a response, I asked a
>question from illia unfortunately no reply,
>maybe he is busy.

Hi Ed!

Sorry if I have missed your email - I get hundreds a day... Lately my reply is - go to the forums and post there I will post the reply rightaway - no email.

>I emailed the people who left their email
>addresses no reply,please do not bother now.
>
>Yes I have learnt a lot about scag would have
>liked to have shared ideas etc but alas people
>are not willing to participate in what was a
>good forum.

You included... your last post is what a year ago?!


>Is this because many find that the plaster arts
>are a little more complicated than they first
>thought? All I can say is you get out more than
>you give in, it is a wonderful field of art to
>be in.

Totaly agree, also I find that for some reason people are shy to post. What are they thinking? Someone will laugh?

PS. What was your question that I have missed?

ilia

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10. "RE: Scagliola"
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   I can see how frustrating it must be for you, frustration is maybe not the right word.

I think too many people are worried about giving away their secrets, which if the truth be known there are very few that are worth keeping.

I asked about the problems with dolomite, as Gary mentions using it in his posts and you do not recommend it. Ilia you did say when I posted my question on Dec 20 2000, that you would explain more, I'm still waiting lol.


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11. "RE: Scagliola"
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Ok! I remember now... This was explained/debated in the other topic somewhere. (besides the one you mentioned)

But here it goes again:

Dolomitic lime results in a lot of magnesium in the putty. And it is so - it smells tastes and feels slightly different, so it is not just "molecular" difference. Magnesium makes plaster to be more "plastic", but that is a choice for people who know little. Also magnesium plasters preferred for commercial plaster/stucco applications where speed is the issue, or for uncolored ornamental plasterwork.

For color magnesium is not a friend gives fluorescence spots, poor adhesion of the color layer, etc. Also magnesium has longer hydrating time. Any lime stone will produce some magnesium (high calcium lime contains upto 7% of magnesium - dolomitic has over 30%)

In the past burning of the limestone has little control over the temperature throughout the load therefore resulting quicklime was impure. Aging the lime for 10+ years in the pit was needed to properly hydrate every bit of it. Modern technologies produce more consistent burning therefor 2-4 years in the pit is sufficient.

I am not at liberty to say - professional secret, you know... (just joking).

Anyway, i am not an expert in colored plasters and my explanation applies to fresco painting where the color layer creates or can be compared with calcium saturated, bounded surface crust. When pigment is mixed into the plaster itself poor adhesion is not an issue, however you may still have fluorescence.

About frustrating - you are correct that is not exactly the word. More likely "philosophical" in the matter of: when and will I be able to keep up with postings. The site is alive and growing fast.
Have you checked our Fresco Workshop Program at
http://frescoschool.com ?
we already have international students.

we are also rearanging content into Channels to be more accessable, check Fresco Channel at:

http://www.truefresco.com/channel_fresco.html

perhaps the fact that our site is so easy to find - top ten in every search engine for any fresco related search as well as it's size make people feel that the discussion is "too public" - you do not see rock concert crowds in the public library, but there are millions of libraries and only one "fresco library" - TrueFresco.com - we are pritty much it or strive to be... So the crowds will be here - our stats: 1996 - 2000 page views per month and in 2002 - 200,000 page view per month. So people are "snooping around" we just have to make them talk. Interested to help?
Scagliola topic is wide open...

ilia

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12. "RE: Scagliola"
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   Ilia I meant frustrating in the sense that you have provided the means/platform for people to talk about fresco and scagliola etc. Well for me I appreciate it.

I use modroc as a simple base to work on.

I put it on a wooden base such as mdf, when it's wet I smooth it out, into the wet plaster I would either embed thread in a random pattern or lightly score out a pattern. To make things interesting coloured plaster can be dropped onto the still wet modroc base and trowelled in to make a smooth surface, no more than two colours as the white of the plaster will make three colours in total.

If I get really adventurous I would print a reverse copy of a simple painting onto ordinary A4.

In simple I mean something with a strong un-complicated pattern. When the plaster is wet and smoothed I place the print face down unto it and carefully smooth it out, the image is transferred into the plaster. I lightly score around the outlines following the image on the plaster.

After either method I let the plaster dry:Remove the pieces of thread and a random out line like a marble design if done right is there. The image if used is there the outline can now be filled in with coloured plaster, I use herculite hardcoat, I mix the dry pigment first and then add water. I fill the lines with the coloured plaster which highlights the design.

Image transfer:
It can be left like this or as I do the coloured body of the plaster can be strengthened. I use frisket to mask of the areas I do not want touched. The area to be covered is dampened, I mix up the coloured plaster and float it onto the areas I want it.

I would make up a mix of hardcoat and marble dust 60-40 this allows the plaster to be polished. I know the plaster alone can also be polished, but I get better results using the mix.

The procedure is repeated until all the areas are finished and polished, care has to be taken when masking an a polished are so the plaster is not ripped up while removing the frisket. I use wax to protect and increase the shine.

Cheaters fresco
Another method I have used with good success is transferring an image onto lime putty and marble dust plaster, trowelled over a mdf base. I have printed some images in reverse and carefully laid down the page on the wet plaster, gently smoothed out the page, the image transfers almost immediately.

I have three small works in the shed exposed to direct sunlight etc and the image has not faded.
Ilia's image in his above posts is perfect to try for the fresco method, hope I don't cause offence recommending this.

I hope this helps some one to try fresco and scag, I use the above as an introduction, to encourage me to learn more and try out ideas, they are simple techniques based on the principle of some of the real methods.


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13. "RE: Scagliola"
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Hi Ed,

"In simple I mean something with a strong un-complicated pattern. When the plaster is wet and smoothed I place the print face down unto it and carefully smooth it out, the image is transferred into the plaster. I lightly score around the outlines following the image on the plaster."

Print - do you use regular "printer print"?


Can you post some images of the finished and "in-progress pieces?

ilia

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14. "RE: Scagliola"
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   Hi Ilia,

I use ordinary printer inkjet,for fresco wait until the plaster is ready for painting and carefully apply the printed image. I would also use the outline of images for the cartoon. I do this on small 8"*6" tiles of scag.

This is just for my own use, but I thought you might be interested in it. I will make up more and post the images.

Ed


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53. "RE: Scagliola"
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   >Where can one buy Herculite Hardcoat in the US???

Thanks.

jvm


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17. "RE: Scagliola"
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   To the Administration of True Fresco: Hi, I ve just visited your site, I liked it very much.I would like to exchange information on Scagliola.Hope to hear from you, Bye, Bernardo.


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18. "RE: Scagliola"
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>To the Administration of True Fresco: Hi, I ve
>just visited your site, I liked it very much.I
>would like to exchange information on
>Scagliola.Hope to hear from you, Bye, Bernardo.

Please do!

learn fresco at http://FrescoSchool.org

fresco painting video tutorials: http://www.FrescoSchool.com

also visit

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Contemporary Fresco Gazette
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commission fresco or mural http://iLAdesigns.com

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19. "RE: Scagliola"
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   Bonjour,

Another scagliola addict from france.
I have ony just begun doing scagliola as a sequel to a stucco marble course.
None of you seem to be using the stuff i have been taught to use and this might explain some of the wee problems I have been having. I know of no one around me who does scagliolla and would appreciate an exchange of tips and idaes.
I have fallen in love totally with thiw medium. I did like molding stucco marble pieces, but I think this is the channel I will follow if I can solve some of the setbacks I have been meeting.

Marmorino


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57. "RE: Scagliola"
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   Hi,

I hope this time my message will post! Last time it had some sort of error.

I like to do a marbled Venetian Plaster that resembles Scagliola. I developed a method to do it fairly easily after much trial and error. You can see some examples on my website at www.TravertineDesignStudio.com.

The photos with the 4 columns next to each other, and the three columns below it are examples of a marbled effect that is done only with troweling. This makes the marbled look relatively quick to accomplish. I did the column that is behind the chair with a painted method. That was very tedious and time-consuming to complete, which is why I wanted to find a better way to accomplish a marbled look.

I've been asked to teach my method, so I'm planning to start classes in February. If anyone is interested, please contact me at TravertineDesignStudio@gmail.com .

I live in southeast Texas.

Thanks!

Theresa


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Ed
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10-Oct-02, 11:37 AM (PST)
 
7. "RE: Scagliola"
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   not dead.
please make contact on david6219@hotmail.com
i would like to contact you re some ideas.
i am away until 24th oct, but will reply on my return

julian


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gazzer
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07-Aug-02, 01:42 AM (PST)
 
6. "RE: Scagliola"
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   i have just found your site& i am a anorack in scagliola.as well as a fibrous plasterer.i have used herculite hardcoat with very good results!if i cannot for some reason see your reply,my e-mail is gazsuie@aol.com


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15. "Please help me identify this material--"
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   I am attempting to restore my 1891 Queen Anne Victorian in Cambridge, Massachusetts.

There is a narrow (7") band of hard gray material encircling the entire stairway leading up to the recessed front door. I had initially assumed that this material was gray marble or granite, but there are some small areas of delamination which reveal a friable white crystalline substrate beneath the color. These crystals seem shiny rather than matte (and are especially white) and therefore do not resemble the lime putty (+sand and horsehair) plaster that we have inside the house. The colored layer is perhaps 1/8" or thinner and is rough and brittle.

Is this material scagliola? Or perhaps stucco lustro? Or Venetian plaster? What other possibilities should I consider (and rule out) before I proceed?

Unfortunately, this material was painted-over decades ago. Much of the paint is chipping off cleanly and does not appear to be taking off any of the original material with it, but in other areas the paint remains (relatively) firmly attached. It seems to me that paint removers (either organic solvents or caustic chemicals) would likely harm the surface of scagliola.

Can anyone offer any advice? I can't afford to hire an expert to perform a professional restoration, so I am doing all the work myself. What should I use to stabilize and/or repair the delaminated areas?

Finally, I have one last question: is it unusual to see scagliola outdoors? I suspect for other reasons that my home was originally built with a door and sidelights at the foot of the stairs, creating a sort of foyer, and it seems to me that the presence of scagliola (or whatever this is) would tend to lend further support to my hypothesis.

Thank you so much to anyone patient enough to read all the way through this overly-long message! ~~Karen


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hey
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21-Feb-03, 01:12 PM (PST)
 
16. "RE: Please help me identify this material--"
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   Is it possible that you can take some pictures of this. I may be able to help you here. It sounds as if it could be some sort of lime plaster with a wax over.

Have you tried flaking the material off and seeing what happens.

Email the pictures if you can.

jgreco@adicolor.com

Thanks


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Ed
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12-Mar-03, 02:41 PM (PST)
 
21. "RE: Please help me identify this material--"
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   Hi Karen,

Have you managed to get answers to your questions?

If not try putting your question to the people on this site. http://www.muralsplus.com/cgi-bin/discus4_00/discus.cgi hope this helps.

One suggestion to the composition of the scag is Keenes cement, from what I know keenes was widely used at that time.

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22. "RE: Please help me identify this material--"
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   Hi!

Yes, I believe I have what's called Marezzo marble, or American Scagliola. It's made with either marble dust or paint pigments (this detail varies in the descriptions I've seen) instead of marble chips. Apparently it was made in reverse order from scag-- marezzo was made on site, and the first step was to lay the pigmented component on glass. This made the surface smoother from the start, so that less polishing was necessary when the marezzo was later removed from the glass.

I found some very helpful information at the GSA's Historic Preservation Technical Procedures pages, at http://w3.gsa.gov/web/p/HPTP.NSF/Repair%20Procedures?OpenView. See "09 Finishes" > "200 Lath & Plaster" (This is a great resource, BTW!)

Unfortunately, it appears that my marezzo was severely scrubbed-- or even sanded-- before it was painted over. I haven't been able to get a good photograph of the material-- it just winds up looking a bit like mottled gray concrete, without much character. Restoration is not going to be as simple as just touch-ups and polishing. On the positive side, I don't have to worry about being the one who ruins it... anything I do will be an improvement.

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23. "RE: Please help me identify this material--"
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   I hope I'm not telling you what you already know Karen, but it seems that the sanding you refer to was to remove the wax and give the paint a key.

Can I suggest you do this, if possible use wet 'n' dry on a small area of marezzo, to see if you can bring the colour back, use plenty of water and try not to scrub too hard.

If the marezzo was made in the traditional manner the veins of colour should have soaked deep into the plaster/keenes cement. So if your careful you could restore the colour.

Hope this helps

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25. "scagliola"
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   Several years ago I worked on the NJ State Capitol Annex restoration project and a firm from Bristol UK named Hayles and Howe were doing the Scag restoration. I was lucky enough to obtain a copy of a lecture give by one of the owners of that company on the scagliola procedure. It is quite detailed and full of interest to scag fans..I'll chk back here to see if there are questions and will try to answer...in the mean time I'll copy the lecture and perhaps send it to those interested....Lets spread the knowledge and keep the good things alive!


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26. "SCRAFFITO???"
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   Can any one describe the procedure for scraffito plaster technique? I know that its a process of layering two different colored plasters and cutting away the top layer when still wet to reveal the initial color in a design or ornamental pattern......what type of plaster is used and how does one keep the two colors from mixing? Any advice?


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27. "RE: scagliola"
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   Hello,
I'm very interested in the technique of scagliola. I know how to make the stucco marble but do not really know how to make a slab with a pattern in scagliola.
Anyway i would be very interested in the lecture and would be grateful for anything you can pass on.
if there is anything i can pass on to you just ask.

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28. "RE: scagliola"
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   Hello to Scagliola fans:I am working in Argentina with Stucco Marble and Scagliola table tops.First I prepare the Stucco piece, (2 cmts)made of a special gipsum (for moulding) and then turn it backwards and fill it with a mixture maid of gypsum, sand, a little cement and vegetable fibres.This is the best way i found after a lot of experiments. Anyway, I still have a little trouble with some pieces, because they curve a little.Also, they are a little heavy.If anyone has a better way, I,ll be glad to hear it.
Here goes the home page, Sorry it,s still in Spanish, Im working on it : wwwestudiobezcurra.com.ar.
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29. "RE: scagliola"
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   Hello Bernardo,

Do you think you can help on these two points?
First:
How do I get rid of some mold stains on my stucco marble? I think I waxed the piece too early and now I have some greyish stains on my cream stucco marble. I took the wax away ( i hope) but the stains are there. WHat can I do?

Second: How long does one have to fill in the carved out parts of a scaglila piece? How do you manage when there two or more colours side by side?

Merci

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30. "RE: scagliola"
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   Dear Marmorino:On thesubject of the stains,if they went deep inside the stucco, unfortunately, the only way to wipe them away is to sand it again, then aply the pastina on several times as needed.If the stain is only a single spot, you can carve it and fill it with stucco again, taking care on the colour.Then go on with the polishing till it turns similar than the original piece.
The best way I found, to avoid stains in the Scagliola is to carve on the piece with the pastina on, so its protected. the cutting must be very neat,and it is a bit unconfortable, because you dont actually see the stucco vains becausev of the pastina, but its safe.Specially when its filled with different colours.
Second : if you refer to the thickness of the carving,3 to 5 millimeters works fine to me.
When there are colours side by side, the only way is to fill one at a time, then , once dried you can cut it perfectly.
Well, hope this to be helpfull, Bye Bernardo
PS: if there is any interestig reading on Scagliola, let me know, thanks.


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31. "RE: scagliola"
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   Thank you for replying so promptly.
I will try what you suggested today.
With the white cat ( he is visible on the website) i can only try to sand him as there are small spots everywhere or redo him from scratch ( no pun intended) at the worst.
But what do you call "pastino"?
I work with plaster of Paris (special fibrous quality for staff), skin glue and pigments. I sometimes add a bit of linseed oil.
The new little blue horse I made just doesn't want his holes filled: the fill mixture keeps on drying to chalk although i have wetted the horse beforehand.
I thought i had solved the problem thanks to Ed ( he also posts on this forum). Ed is not available at the moment and I am getting anxious again!
It make me think twice before starting on the scagliola project i mentionned in my "off the forum" e-mail to you. What if the fills keep on drying to chalk again?

This must sound incredibly silly!

Here are a few of the links I have used to try to learn about scagliola. The italian Massinelli book seems to be "the thing", but it is very difficult to get, I believe and, being rare, probably expensive.

1/Most of the stuff is, alas, in Italian. With my French and my Spanish I try to understand.
The stuff in English is interesting for beginners.

http://www.plasterarc.net/
http://www.plasterarc.net/essay/index.html

2/Very interesting, although old fashioned at times. But perhaps closer to crafts people and the "real" thing.

http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~quarries/marble_workers_manual/mwh-p4_sect1_2.html#imitation_m

3/More technical, it is restoration, but many parts confirmed what i had found on the other sites.

http://www.chemie.uni-hamburg.de/ac/AKs/Dannecker/enviart/second.html

4/ I haven't read it. But have come across the ref.of this book on a few web sites.

http://www.massinelli.com/
http://www.massinelli.com/Scagliola.html

Hope i haven't been too long

Marmorino
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32. "RE: scagliola add on from MArmorino."
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   I am not I think mixing scagliola and stucco marble.
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33. "RE: scagliola add on from MArmorino."
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   Marmorino, came on, donīt give up!
The Scagliola mixture turns into chalk , because the glue is too strong, and it " burns".That means it looses its consistence.It takes too much time to forge. Maybe, if you add some water to the glue ( 1 part glue + 4 parts water for small fillings of Scagliola) it will work faster, and hopefully will go right.
Good luck!, Bernardo


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34. "RE: scagliola add on from MArmorino."
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   Thanks a lot and lots!

I will go straight down to my blue pony and change the glue dilution. Will give news. It's a shame because I am really on a productive high when the piece progresses.
Bernardo, is selenite essential for scagliola? I am going to start a tile and want to now if my slow set special "staff "plaster of Paris is okay. Impossible to get marble powder at a reasonable price out here. To think i live in the Pyrenees. Will try Spain if you think using marble powder is better than my plaster. All the "recipes" either talk about selenite or marble powder. Very few mention Plaster of Paris.

Muchissimas gracias!

Bye for now.

Marmorino

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35. "RE: scagliola add on from MArmorino."
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   Sorry for the size of the picture. It's embarrassing, Will not repeat again.Can anyone take it off?
Just wanted you to see that my problem does not always occur. The stucco marble went fine and onky needed three sandings to be smooth;

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36. "RE: scagliola add on from MArmorino."
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>Sorry for the size of the picture. It's
>embarrassing, Will not repeat again.Can anyone
>take it off?

I do not see anything wrong with your pic.
I wish we had more members posting images.
This will give the reference points to many interesting discussions.

Are you shure you want to take it off?

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37. "RE: scagliola add on from MArmorino."
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   If it's okay by you,you can leave it. i just thought it was very large!
I also would like to see stuff done by others. especially scagliola pieces.

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38. "RE: scagliola add on from MArmorino."
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   Marmorino, I do use a special Gypsum, very strong, that is used for making molds, and is very pure. It works fine to me.
Congratulations fof your sculpture, its very nice!
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39. "RE: scagliola add on from MArmorino."
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   bernardo,

Thanks a lot.
I am strating a scagliola tile yhis weekend as i have now quite a bit of info to get along. Then i can test your tips and see wht gives.

Bye

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43. "RE: scagliola"
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   I would be interested in having a copy of that lecture. What about an email of it?
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44. "RE: scagliola"
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>in the mean time I'll copy the lecture
>and perhaps send it to those interested....Lets
>spread the knowledge and keep the good things
>alive!

why wont you post it here?

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46. "RE: scagliola"
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   WOULD YOU PLEASE SEND ME A COPY OF THE LECTURE IF YOU HAVE IT. I AM VERY INTERESTED IN SCAGLIOLA
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45. "RE: scagliola"
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   PLEASE EMAIL OR SNAIL MAIL ME A COPY OF THE LECTURE GIVEN BY HAYLES AND HOWE. MY EMAIL ADDRESS IS JENNBRYANT415@COMCAST.COM
MY SNAIL MAIL IS
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48. "RE: scagliola"
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   hi, I am loking for information on restoring weather damaged scagliola columns. After sanding down the salt/mould build up we are left with a fantastic smooth finish but there are small chips and small holes. I would be most grateful for a copy of the lecture you mention and also any ideas from anyone else regarding restoration of these magnificent scagliola columns.


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51. "RE: scagliola"
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   please send for me the ingredients and the know how of the scagliola i cannot reach the secret quantities i am mixing pure gypsum with rabbit glue and water ...with no succes ...my email is snawad@yahoo.com.
i am very gratfull in advance
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58. "RE: scagliola"
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   maryb

Hi,

Thanks so much for the offer to make copies of the lecture on the procedure on making scagliola. I'd like to offer renumeration for what ever cost you incur and look forward to hearing from you.

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59. "RE: scagliola"
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   Hi would love to share information am researching and would be thankful for any information. have been in tne industury for fourty years,and would like to further my knowledge.let brotherly love continue. RAY

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40. "RE: Please help me identify this material--"
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   HI KAREN I SPEND LAST 10 YEARS SEARCHIN FOR THE BEST FORMULA TODAY Im VERY HAPPY WITH MY WORK BUT I NEED TO SEE SOME PHOTOS BEFORE Ill TRY TO HELP YOU AND DONt FORGET THAT IN SOME CRITICAL POINT YOU CAN USE A PARTICULAR EPOXY RESIN

CIAO ANDREA (TRUST ME IT IS EASY WORK WITH SCAGLIOLA STUCCO GRASSELLO MARMORINO ETC THAN WITH THIS THIN)


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50. "RE: Please help me identify this material--"
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   I am new to this forum but it is quite interesting since I have had some experience with Scag restoring Scag columns in a hotel in NYC. We did quite a bit of research to find out how to do it and found the info in Milar's book quite helpful. It is available through Donhead publishing in England. Paid a premium for a reprint myself. I would be glad to answer any questions you may have on how we did the Scag columns in NYC. It has been over 10 years and my memory is a little rusty.


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41. "RE: Scagliola"
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   Dear people, a total newbie wants to know where to start with scag. Live in New Zealand and there doesn't seem to be anyone here who can help. Maybe suggestions of books etc to give me a better idea of where to start. Anything would be greatly appreciated. Thanks
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42. "RE: Scagliola"
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   I myself have been trying to get on a course for three years running and each year has been cancelled at west dean college in the united kingdom with david hayles from hale and howe plasters in england and the U.S.A.
This man is classed as the best if not the master of scagiola in the country.You will beable to find them on the net.I have family in the north island of new zealand,if i get a course before yourself and manage a trip out then i'll pass it on along with marmorino.


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47. "RE: Scagliola"
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   Hi I'm new to this site, and was begining to think that I would'nt be able to get any info about scagliola and marmorino. I actually live in the UK and when I contacted West Dean college they had never heard of the course, I have spoken to Hayles & Howe, I said it seems to be a closed shop as far as info on the art. He agreed and said I was quite welcome to come along to the workshop and have a look.

Where is the best school to learn Scagliola? Is the Mastro course in stucco in San servolo italy good or is there a better school in italy. I've been a plasterer for about 18 years and very recently used lime for inside and out. I've got a very great interest in the art side of plastering.

I have read william millar.
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49. "RE: Scagliola courses"
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   As you were in March, i am also new to the site so this information may not be any good to you now, but i2ll have a go anyway. The university of Portsmouth run a week long intensive course in Bavarian and Marezzo scagliola, if you have done your homework you will know what both are. The course commences in early February 2005, so you will have to get your skates on to stand a chance of getting on the course. The course is normally only available to students who are enroled on the "Restoration and Decorative studies" a 2-3 yr degree course which is run by the university, but their may be a possibilty of been allowed to attend. (A possibility and no more). I cannot advise you on how much this might cost as this is not the norm for the university to allow non-students to attend.
I will leave the relevent web address for you, but if you have problems you can contact me as the university's site can be quite hard work to navigate through.
All the best.
SG
www.port.ac.uk

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52. "RE: Scagliola"
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   >Is there an alternative to Keenes cement,I have
>used fine casting plaster and white cement for
>scag with good results, well I'm happy any way.
>
>Any other advice for scagliola, like oiling and
>polishing would be a great help.
>
>Thanks
>ed

Does anyone know where to purchase 25 kg bags of Herculite Hardcoat in the US? Thank you so much!!!

jvm


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Karen
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29-Oct-06, 12:37 PM (PST)
 
54. "RE: Scagliola"
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   Hi i'm a student at Portsmouth University England. Have you got any info on scag you feel you could share at all.It's really hard to find anything at all and i feel us scaggers should stick together. Hope to hear from you soon. E Mail me at dudleyandjack@tiscali.co.uk:7


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55. "RE: Scagliola"
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   Hi Karen,I'm an italian artisan I work and restore Scagliola and at the moment I was spending my free time (I'm on holiday for a short time)in internet looking something about scagliola.
This site is very interesting and I find funny that there are so many people interested to this material.
Probably if my english is enough good I could help you or someone else.My e-mail is info@artelier-roma.com and my web site is www.artelier-roma.com
Buon anno Walter Cipriani


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56. "Herculite Hardcoat"
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   Gold Dust in these parts. I'm quessing that you must of spoken with some one at Hayle & Howe seeing as they are the company who use it the most for there scag work. Grate stuff it is to, sets very hard and fantasic for getting a mirror like shine to it.

Any way, If you found out about it from another sourse contact Hayles & Howe Inc in Baltimore and if they can't help try a company called South West Industrial Plasters based in England. They may be able to ship it to you but it wont be cheap, at 18.00 pounds a bag and the shipping cost. But it is the best plaster for scag work. Working on a big scag job out in California at the moment and we had to ship all our bags out here from the uk.

Good luck.


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