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"Lime, Lime and more Lime"
 
   If you want to search out lime information online, www.lime.org is a good starting point. This is an international association of lime producers. There is also the trade forum www.limeonline.com. I buy high calcium lime, type "N" from Chemical Lime company, their website www.chemicallime.com Go to the map and find that they have high calcite plants all over the U.S. - contact a sales office to see where the nearest retailer is (US or Canada). There are at least three other lime companies, I am not sure which produce the high calcite lime.

I also have an old publication from the lime association on how to make different whitewash formulas, for different purposes. Email them, or me if you are involved with this. I feel that we should be encouraging the use of lime paints because of their vastly superior environmental qualities. They dropped out of favor purely for economic reasons - why buy a tin when for a little bit of effort you can make it yourself. Again a case where modern is not necessarily better -its just a way to make a quick buck.


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  RE: Lime, Lime and more Lime Myriam (Guest) 26-Mar-01 1
     RE: Lime, Lime and more Lime Gary sculptari 02-Apr-01 2
         RE: Lime, Lime and more Lime Myriam (Guest) 14-Apr-01 3
  RE: Lime, Lime and more Lime Myriam Schinazi (Guest) 14-Apr-01 4
     RE: Lime, Lime and more Lime Gary sculptari 14-Apr-01 5
         RE: Lime, Lime and more Lime Gary sculptari 18-Apr-01 6
             RE: Lime, Lime and more Lime Iliamoderator 28-Apr-01 7
                 RE: Lime, Lime and more Lime Curt Mason (cmason@gscyclone.com) (Guest) 18-May-01 8
                     RE: Lime, Lime and more Lime Myriam Schinazi 12-Jun-01 9
                         RE: Lime, Lime and more Lime curt mason 21-Sep-01 12
                             RE: Lime, Lime and more Lime adminadmin 21-Sep-01 13
                                 RE: Lime, Lime and more Lime cmason 22-Sep-01 14
                                     RE: Lime, Lime and more Lime adminadmin 23-Sep-01 16
                                         RE: Lime, Lime and more Lime cmason 25-Sep-01 17
                                             forum bug adminadmin 26-Sep-01 18
                         RE: Lime, Lime and more Lime cmason 22-Sep-01 15
                             RE: Lime, Lime and more Lime Myriam Schinazi 26-Sep-01 19
                                 dolomitic lime for lime wash Iliamoderator 30-Sep-01 20
                             RE: Lime, Lime and more Lime--New Website curt mason 01-Dec-03 26
             RE: Lime, Lime and more Lime zoome12@juno.com (Guest) 17-Aug-01 10
                 RE: Lime, Lime and more Lime Myriam Schinazi 17-Aug-01 11
             RE: Lime, Lime and more Lime michael ferraro 16-Nov-02 21
                 RE: Lime, Lime and more Lime adminadmin 16-Nov-02 22
                     RE: Lime, Lime and more Lime michael ferraro 18-Nov-02 23
                     RE: Lime, Lime and more Lime Gary sculptari 18-Nov-02 24
                         RE: Lime, Lime and more Lime adminadmin 20-Nov-02 25
                         RE: Lime, Lime and more Lime willyartist 15-Apr-05 28
                             RE: Lime, Lime and more Lime Gary sculptari 17-Apr-05 29
                                 RE: Lime, Lime and more Lime william meyer 17-Apr-05 30
                                     RE: Lime, Lime and more Lime Gary sculptari 17-Apr-05 31
                                         RE: Lime, Lime and more Lime JohnT 19-Apr-05 32
                                             RE: Lime, Lime and more Lime Gary sculptari 19-Apr-05 33
             RE: Lime, Lime and more Lime Molly 27-Aug-04 27

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1. "RE: Lime, Lime and more Lime"
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   Gary,
i am a very srong proponent of using lime and other sensitive material in painting. I specially love lime. A limewashed room is for some reason more comfortable than a room painted with acrylic.
Not only for esthetic reasons.
I would love to have as much recepies as I can gather so feel free to send me yours
I attended a workshop in France last summer. The teacher is a traditional mason and artist. He indeed has his own recepies.
Very interesting.
Myriam


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2. "RE: Lime, Lime and more Lime"
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   Try to get your own copy from Lime.org. It is an interesting little booklet. If they can't help, then we will work on the problem.

The Kremer website http://www.kremer-pigmente.de/englisch/homee.htm , in the newsletter section, is claiming they have a reproduction of the brush which was used for painting lime and calcimite up to 100 years ago. It is made from vegetable fibers and designed to hold the watery mixtures better than today's brushes. In know of no further information. Is this a brush widely available in Europe? I assume it is a painter's brush, not an artists brush

A french mason would have some good stories and tales. Much of Paris exterior work was actual gypsum plaster - not lime mortar. It was cheaper and faster to slap on some new plaster every couple of years, rather than do a full mortar and cement stucco. The European mortar workers are a whole different world from Canada and the USA.


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3. "RE: Lime, Lime and more Lime"
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   Hi Gary,
I do not know much about Gypsum being used on building in Paris.
Is that why it is called Paris plaster?
In the country side I am sure lime was widely used.
I do not know that anything has been written on this subject.
May be l' Ecole d'Avignon would tell us more.
I could do some research if you are interested.
I found in France a really big natural hair brush that I use for limewashes.
It can be clipped sideways on top of the bucket for dripping.
It is a very good one but I am pretty sure I have seen the equivalent in catalogs.
Myriam


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4. "RE: Lime, Lime and more Lime"
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   Gary,
I did not find your publication.
It may be that I have not been able to spot it or it is not there anymore.
Gosh I am sure that this technique is going to resurface.
It has in Europe.
Myriam


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5. "RE: Lime, Lime and more Lime"
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   Hi Myriam,

Did you actually contact Lime.org. This is free booklet they used to publish -the recipes will be stark without the old black and white drawings etc. If it is no longer available, give me a fax number by private post. Scans are time consuming in email.


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6. "RE: Lime, Lime and more Lime"
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   I have been in contact with Harry Francis, retired of the National Lime Association. He has told me the booklet is no longer available. Please give a fax number or address by private email and I will send a copy.

Harry has also offered some improvements to the recipes, for example you can use skim milk instead of casein and water, which I will also include. He also kindly advises that formaldehyde is no longer available.

I'm sure he won't mind me mentioning that there is a new lime paint going to hit the market that is anti-fungal, anti-bacterial, anti-viral, yet non-toxic to any higher life forms. He says that it will kill germs but not worms for example. It is interesting that it works by blocking the lime from absorbing CO2. Straight lime is highly anti-germ, until it recarbonates, and then it is as the same as limestone or marble.

Lets share recipes and maybe write a new booklet on whitewash and cold water paints. It is about time someone promoted something which is beautiful and of benefit to the environment. It is still the only paint to use in damp areas such as basements, etc.

Ilia - this booklet is eight 8 1/2" pages, folded in half. Any way you can use it on this site? I could scan.


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7. "RE: Lime, Lime and more Lime"
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Gary, why don't you post some recepies from that booklet?
I am sure many people including the author will benefit!


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8. "RE: Lime, Lime and more Lime"
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   I too would be very interested in seeing the various recipes listed in the book, and the applictions for each of them. I'm still not clear on the advisability of using ANY organic constituent in mix intended for exterior surfaces. Copying a few of the more useful ones into an email or posting here would be a great service.

I'm restoring a 200 yr old springhouse on our farm and just whitewashed one of the walls following the recommendations of the Danish web page on whitewashing techniques. I love the way it turned out and the fact that it is quickly acquiring some "character" of its own (i.e. pollen-laden rainwater running off the tarp causing a lovely yellow stain on my day-old wash job.)

Curt Mason
White House Farm (named for the white color achieved through 200 yr old whitewashing)
Summit Point, wv,, <http://www.geocities.com/cmasonnos/whitehousefarm.html>


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9. "RE: Lime, Lime and more Lime"
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   Curt,
What is the Danish web page? And where in WV did you purchase lime for your wall?
Myriam


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12. "RE: Lime, Lime and more Lime"
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   This Forum messes up any attempt I make to reply to you. Please email me for answers to you questions.
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Thank you


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13. "RE: Lime, Lime and more Lime"
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>This Forum messes up any attempt I make to reply
>to you.

Can you be specific? Do you have trouble posting?

Unregistered users can not email members though, unless the member chooses to post the email address in the message. You need to be logged in to take advantage of the forum's features such as email, private message, bookmarking, topic and forum subscribtions, etc., etc.

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14. "RE: Lime, Lime and more Lime"
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   Well, first of all, I AM a registered member, but your webpage does not recognize me as such, and so far I have not found a link to sign in with. So you keep calling me a "guest", when in fact I've filled out the registration form, and when I try to re-register, you tell me i'm already a member.

Secondly, unlike every other website I've used, when I fill out text massages such as this one on your site, and then click on preview, when I go back to make changes, you do not remember what I've typed in already and I have to rewrite the whole d*%$## thing. , so I'm not a happy camper about that either.

Hope this clarifies things for you.

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16. "RE: Lime, Lime and more Lime"
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>Well, first of all, I AM a registered member,
>but your webpage does not recognize me as such,
>and so far I have not found a link to sign in
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Click on "login" link in the lobby type in your username and password - you will be redirected to the lobby again - you will see all bunch of new icons in the header one of them will be "User Menu" - click on it. You will be directed to user console, below is the list of options for your castom settings

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(i will work on putting this option back on the login page)

You can also login from http://www.truefresco.com/

So you keep calling me a "guest", when in
>fact I've filled out the registration form, and
>when I try to re-register, you tell me i'm
>already a member.

Do as outlined above and sorry for the inconvinience - with our upgrade registered users have lots of new options so we had to consolidate them in one place.

>Secondly, unlike every other website I've used,
>when I fill out text massages such as this one
>on your site, and then click on preview, when I
>go back to make changes, you do not remember
>what I've typed in already and I have to rewrite
>the whole d*%$## thing. , so I'm not a
>happy camper about that either.

After you hit "preview" there is no need to hit back button - your text is displayed right below the preview
just scroll down and edit.

>
>Hope this clarifies things for you.
>
>Curt Mason (MEMBER!!)

Sorry again for inconvinience, however upgraded forums give much more functionality for registered users than ever before. 10-15 min of reading FAQ and exploring "user menu" and You will be saying - "This forum software Rocks!"


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17. "RE: Lime, Lime and more Lime"
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   Click on "login" link in the lobby type in your username and password - you will be redirected to the lobby again - you will see all bunch of new icons in the header one of them will be "User Menu" - click on it. You will be directed to user console, below is the list of options for your castom settings
Change your password
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Edit your preferences - click this one
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Edit your preferences - click this one

On the resulted page select "yes" for the following option

Automatically login when you return?
Select "yes" if you want to be logged on when you return at a later time. This feature will be in effect the next time you login.

Thanks for the prompt reply. HOwever, as with the Preview page, this procedure does not remember what I did. I followed you instructions to the letter, but each time i clicked UPDATE, it went back to the original settings, not the ones I had just changed, such as automatic login.

Maybe I'll come back here in a couple of months after you get some of these nagging bugs solved. I must respectfully disagree: This software does NOT rock,, nor roll, nor do anything but frustrate the user.

Bye


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18. "forum bug"
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It is fixed.

There is no need to be rude.

hello

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